One of my facebook friends Louise Edington made a statement the other day that “Facebook Groups are the new spam“. She was referring to how people can create a group, add you without your knowledge or permission and then you start getting group posts and updates automatically even into your email depending on settings until you opt out or change settings.
I’ve been using facebook groups for over a year and they range from about a dozen members to over a thousand with most in the one or two hundred member range. Some of these are open, some are closed, a few are secret…shhhhh.
Often groups are started by a ring-leader type person or organization and the best ones have a clear objective and some guidelines for participation. It’s also important to have a few moderators to kick out spammers and watch for anyone posting that needs something urgently.
Since I like to end things on a positive note… let’s begin with…
Impunity (not being punished or avoiding consequences)
When you add someone to a group without their permission or their requesting to be added, who isn’t a very close friend or colleague that will immediately see the purpose and value, you are creating a form of Spam. This is like adding someone to a mailing list just because you got their business card from a networking event or group directory. It isn’t friendly, it isn’t professional and it should be called out as bad behavior.
Another thing to watch for in groups is confidentiality and compliance. I was in a group of Entrepreneurs that had a lot of Inventors and Start-Ups raising capital. This was an open group and occasionally members would post things about needing Capital, new rounds of Capital, Investor Opportunity, etc. Although there isn’t any “real” privacy with anything you post online, if the SEC wanted to gather information, an Open Group has posts that are visible to the public and in the news stream of members so this would be a bad practice to allow.
There are new FTC policies taking effect next year that regulate work at home and business opportunities and if you have a group giving step by step business advice, pricing practices or income assurances you definitely want this to not be publicly posted on member’s Walls from an Open Group.
Immunity – You may not be as invisible as you think…You may be a lot more invisible than you think!
One of the patterns of a Social Media platform like facebook or Twitter is that information comes in waves and streams. This is one of the benefits of using a group – posts in the group are collected and aren’t lost “out there” so group members can visit, engage and respond or respond when they see a group post in their stream when it first happens. If you are working with people who are serious about getting something done, like cross promoting each other or planning an event, a Closed Group or Secret Group may be a convenient venue if you don’t want to be spammed – if you can moderate some spammy content or conduct, an Open Group may attract more new members.
If you are in a group that has lots and lots of members posting their own information who do not comment, interact, share, forward or even “like” the postings of other members, you absolutely have invisibility issues and a group that is immune to engagement. This often happens when someone charismatic starts the group and engages with people who get excited and then as more and more people come in, they can’t carry that level on – nor should they! If this is happening to the group or you are thinking about joining one, just watch what happens over the course of a non-holiday week. If the same 10 people are posting, commenting and interacting and the other 690 of a 700 member group just stop in to post whatever their new thing is… forming a smaller group with those active 10 is smart – to the others your posts are on down in the feed and will probably never get looked at or worked with – really.
Are you in a group that has a mission statement to collaborate, network or cross promote that has a high percentage of new content from people who are sharing daily spiritual lessons, business advice that they post on their business fan page, request after request to “like” their fan page or come in like a dive bomber with machine guns blazing a couple times a month with multiple pitch posts for this event or that …rat-tat-tat-tat-tat? The other members of the group have probably already given up and just stay listed to be nice. If you’re in charge of the group, a gentle private message to the preachers, SallyFields (“you like me, you really like me, all I wanted was for you to like me”) and Rats MIGHT help, but you really need to have a group of members get active doing the group mission and have something to get people excited again or just let it go.
Community – Collaboration, Thoughtful Engagement, Consistency, Trust and Respect
This is the highest and best you can have with a Facebook Group and when you do, treasure it and express appreciation to the other members. The healthiest and most worthwhile groups I’ve seen and have been involved with have a core group of active members and a few peripheral members who are more active and less active depending on their work load, etc.
The key dynamic for having a strong social network is not to have perfection, harmony and zero conflict – it is creating a place for people to connect and then work on the connections between each other. My colleague Scott Degraffenreid says it this way – “Don’t try to change people, people are almost impossible to change. Instead, change the connections between people, this is what creates a strong social network.” Catch each other doing good, when possible build Edge rank by responding within the first hour when people post things and WHEN there are misunderstandings, explain how you see it in a way that doesn’t make the other person wrong and extend trust and respect. Once you have gone back and forth to clear it up and reach a consensus or agree to disagree, make it known that the relationship is complete and you feel like it is settled and you’re ready to move forward.
Amazing, amazing things happen when a group operates as a Community – Do It Well or Don’t Do It At All.



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Hey Kathryn,
I’ve enjoyed reading the article I guess because I’m one of those people who have created a small Facebook Group promoting positioning marketing. I must admit I the reason why I formed a group was after being member in various group I wanted a group which I did not need to change the people, but instead the connection between people. This works out very well as long as the group is small in number and active.
Super blog post.
Cheers
Elizabeth
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Thanks Elizabeth! Groups that work are wonderful and sometimes you just have to start the music and dancing yourself.
Thanks for the mention Kathryn! This particular group that sparked my comment was quite frightening. It’s members had added about 12,000 people and was basically to recruit to one network marketing company. When I said please don’t add me without permission and left several members then hounded me for days, adding me to numerous other groups and reporting my FB account to the degree that it was shut down for a couple of hours (of course I blocked and reported all those peeps so FB realized who was being spammed thankfully). I changed all my passwords and had to block about 20 people. Scary stuff!
However, I am a member of many truly great and supportive groups so I am not against groups at all. It’s just unfortunate that some are using them to spam.
Louise Edington
Breaking Through Frontiers
http://louiseedington.com
What a nightmare! On the one hand, it is much harder now to reach people who’ve liked a page and using Events and Groups seems to be the only option (aside from tagging photos which is ghastly bad) and people are desperate to get validation, sales and recruits. This is one of the reasons I like the work you and Ann Evanston are doing with SNCC – ethical, no hype, quality content and building layers of relationships. It’s the difference between eating at McDonald’s and having an Italian grandma – slow cooked, layered and nourishing the soul.
Awesome read Kathryn! I can so relate to being lost in the big groups where there truly is no interaction with others in the group. I appreciate TSA for their rules and this truly allows us to interact with one another and learn from each other. I do belong to a different group that promotes generic industry information. We don’t post opportunity links, but yet we do get a few who just don’t seem to understand that and will disregard our purpose and post anyway. Between all of us in the group we can usually get the post removed either through them as a helpful reminder or its done through the moderator when they get back to the group. I do find it challenging at times because sometimes these moderators aren’t available 24/7. I am a night owl so find myself being the security guard or watch dog haha!
Richard recently created..Squeeze Pages part 2 Learn How to Build One for FREE
It’s the Wild West and everyone is learning, but it’s pretty easy to spot marketers who are zeroed in on self promotion. I had one fellow carpet bomb three of my facebook pages with a “great page – visit my MLM link” and then call me stupid and a marketing amateur for objecting…followed by “nothing special you’ve got here anyway”. Watch dogs are needed and undoubetdly lonely dudes like Prince Charming there are out howling at the moon somewhere! Loving the group dynamic at TSA – like a good family, a short list of firm rules mean you can give a lot of love and have a lot of fun.
Really interesting read Kathryn, and excellent points about FB groups. I’ve belonged to several, dropped out of all but a few. I have to hand it to anyone courageous enough to start their own group – don’t think I’d have the patience to deal with the spammers or constantly reminding members of the guidelines.
marquita herald recently created..Simple Ways to Gradually Expand Your Comfort Zone
Thank you Marquita! I’m a sucker for promises of collaboration…harmony and understanding, sympathy and trust abounding, no more falsehood or derision, golden…hey wait a minute! It turned out to be a good learning experience and made some new friends and found out who is dedicated to what. I’ve got a much higher level of respect for the people I observed being Go Givers ala Bob Burg.
Hey Kathryn, I think most of us have almost the same experiences on being on an FB group. In my part, I still prefer to be in a small group yet everyone is active and always doing the stuff they all love unlike being in a bigger group yet the only person making noises are only a handful

Herbert recently created..Kurrently – Redefining Social Media Search Engine
That would be my preference too, although I am in 2 larger ones that are pretty interactive – participants are serious bloggers, writers or active Social Media personalities though – most people on facebook are there to goof around, game or gossip so expecting that to scale isn’t realistic for general users.
Thank you for clarifying all those questions in the back of my head Kathryn. I belong to some groups but never took a shot at doing my own. Between all the rules and spamming headaches, I could never get my work done. However, if it does come a time where I find it necessary to do, I certainly will follow your guidelines. Thanks, Donna
Donna Merrill recently created..Power Person | Living Your Life In Power
Thanks Kathy I have never looked at groups that way, and it seems that most just want to build big groups for no apparent reason. I have on occasion just left groups quietly because they appear to not have anyone monitoring them! On the other hand I have built a lot of great new relationships by being in groups! Thanks for all the great suggestions here!
Lynda Cromar recently created..How To Build Your MLM Network Marketing Business – 8 Ways To Get Laser Beam Focused And To Make Each Day Count!
Well I belong to a few groups on Facebook and I must say that some are large and others small.. it is tougher to get to know too many when the group is big, but the one group I am in I can get support when I need it even if I haven’t been around a ot … I am sure there are many out there that work and some that don’t… But I like them.. I have never invited someone with out checking with them first and I have been asked before I was invited.. I don’t know as I would be too pleased if someone put me in a group without my permission first… Great read, Kathryn
Holly recently created..Getting Older Sucks But It Doesn’t Have To
Hi Kathryn:
Great thoughts on Facebook groups! It totally annoys me when someone adds me to a group without my permission. I typically immediately remove myself from the group.
Thanks!
Kevin
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Hello Kathryn
I understand that one of the major purposes of groups is to allow people to come together around a common cause, issue or activity to organize, express objectives, discuss issues, post photos and share related content. In this article you have given solid ideas on how this can be accomplished. You really hit the bulls eyes with this statement; The key dynamic for having a strong social network is not to have perfection, harmony and zero conflict – it is creating a place for people to connect and then work on the connections between each other.
Thanks
Perry A Davis Jr
Music City
Perry A Davis Jr recently created..What might be the most important idea of the “now” and “next” of network marketing ?
Kathryn, I below to a few groups and don’t mind getting updates from members – since I am interested in the topic of the group…but I wish the option of adding someone to a group would go away – seems I am removing myself at least once a week from a group someone added me to.
Tim Somers recently created..The Detroit Auto Show 2012 Tickets
I agree Tim – and by default you get the updates so all of a sudden it’s very spamalammadingdongish. I’m getting a lot of event invitations that feel spammy too and I wonder if they just went back to where you could send a message to all your page friends if it would be easier. Less thinking (yes or no vs who, what, when and how much time do they want) and less potential for getting slammed with multiple messages.